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    Here's an interesting point to consider...

    I've been thinking about the argument that Cubadave's arrest could have an adverse effect on the monger community in Costa Rica. I still believe that, in and of itself, Cubadave's arrest will not affect mongers in any significant way. However, there is one aspect of this situation that I didn't consider...

    What if Cubadave decides to fight back?

    I'm not talking about defending himself against the charges, which is a Given. I'm talking about... If Cubadave is pretty sure that he knows who Narc'ed on him, what if he decides to Narc them back? In my opinion, that would NOT make Cubadave a Narc... call that "Justifiable Retaliation." I'll stop dancing around the issue. The evidence so far points to Cubadave believing that one of the Admins at CRT is responsible for his arrest. What if... in Open Court... Cubadave brings up the point that CRT has tons of Paying Members and also makes money from advertisements on the CRT website... and then brings up the fact that guys are constantly posting on CRT things such as, "Don't pay CIEN!", "There are more working girls in HDR on Friday night than on Tuesday night", and much more stuff like that.

    While CRT's Admins might feel like their hands are clean on this issue... That is not for CRT to decide. This is a Costa Rican law, and Costa Rica can apply it however they Fuckin' WANT to apply it.

    Don't even get me started on the MPs. In my opinion, every MP in Costa Rica is flat-out in violation of this law... 100 times more than Cubadave. They can call the girls independent contractors if they want to, and perform all of the sleight-of-hand with the cash moving between mongers and hookers if they want to...

    I can call a Hooker an Air Conditioner or a Box of Cheerios, if I want to... That doesn't mean that I'm correct.

    The MPs are at the very core of this law. This law passed under Laura's administration, and it's no secret that she positively HATES the MPs. Several MPs were raided and temporarily shut down during her administration. The current Solis administration appears to have no hard-on (pun intended) for the MPs and other sex-related businesses, but if Cubadave's court case becomes high-profile, and this subject becomes a topic, the Costa Rican government will have no choice but to enforce the law -- SWIFTLY, HARSHLY, and WITHOUT MERCY. These things usually last for a few months, and then it's back to business as usual, but it's still a huge pain in the ass for everyone. I've lived through it a few times... I'm walking around downtown and it seems like half of the MPs are closed. We used to joke around, "Will somebody PLEASE go and give Laura some good sex, so that she can relax and things can get back to normal. Come On! Somebody, PLEASE! Take one for the TEAM!"

    The mongers themselves, and the members of CRT and similar websites? I don't see how they could get in trouble, as most of the mongers are not making ANY money off of the sex trade... they're Spending Money on the sex trade. I have never known a single monger to get in trouble for being in an MP or HDR, unless he was suspected of violating a law other than the law that we are discussing, or was suspected of assisting the MP or participating in the MP's business. If a cop asks you, "Did you just pay that girl money for sex?" you can freely answer, "I paid her AND her friend $80 each to give me a 2-girl blowjob and then let me fuck them both in the ass!" I don't recommend that you actually say that to a cop. There's no need to antagonize a cop for no good reason. However, you have admitted to no crime, as long as both of those girls are at least 18 years old.

    The only real threat to mongers is a loss of resources. Imagine a world where CRT and all of the other boards are shut down, and all of the MPs are shut down, and maybe some of the hotels, too.

    Once again... If I were Cubadave, and I knew who ratted on me, I'd want to Nail that little fucker to the Wall, too! It would be very difficult to resist that temptation. But, by retaliating in that manner, the monger community would no longer be in a situation where one guy, a unique individual in the monger community, was arrested, and that's the end of it. I don't know of any Cubabob or Cubajoe websites. Instead, the monger community would be in a situation where multiple businesses, groups, and individuals are being attacked by the Costa Rican justice system. That's a possibility that doesn't seem all that unlikely to me.
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    If I'm Cubadave, pointing the finger back at Dan is a no-brainer. I'm just hoping the jackass is dumb enough to come to Medellin so I can introduce him to some guys who love meeting rats.

    Costa Ricans are a strange lot. They're determined to remain in the 3rd world, they just don't want you pointing it out. The 40+ massage parlors in San Jose, the strip clubs, the Rey, Cocal, et al... These are the epicenter of sex tourism. Yet they remain unmolested.

    The person who put this plan in motion on the CR side wasn't a Harvard grad. It's glaring proof that the laws only apply to gringos. Further, using a 'Trafficking' law to press this wasn't too wise. If this drags on, it gets more a more attention. And any journalist worth a nickel will point out that this law goes widely unenforced among Costa Ricans.

    As far as shutting websites down... Good luck with that... The same point you mentioned in an earlier post. It doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks about how Costa Rica writes and enforces its laws, because all of this is happening on Costa Rican soil. Ticaland, and likely CRT as well, are not hosted on Costa Rican soil, so the Ticos would have to make their case to a wider audience, like the US judicial system. Good luck with that.

    In a thousand years, it's safe to say no significant technological advancement or cure for anything, any any meaningful development will come out of Costa Rica. They'll still be a 3rd world country, trailing the 1st world by a thousand years of evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonesie View Post
    Costa Ricans are a strange lot. They're determined to remain in the 3rd world, they just don't want you pointing it out. The 40+ massage parlors in San Jose, the strip clubs, the Rey, Cocal, et al... These are the epicenter of sex tourism. Yet they remain unmolested.
    I don't agree that Costa Rica is a third world country, but that's largely a matter of opinion. Since the collapse of the USSR, nobody can even agree on the definition of First, Second, and Third World. Are Costa Ricans strange? No more strange to us, than we are to them. I know a lot of culture that are even stranger, including some countries with a per-capita GDP and Income higher than the USA's. It's just a different culture.


    The person who put this plan in motion on the CR side wasn't a Harvard grad. It's glaring proof that the laws only apply to gringos. Further, using a 'Trafficking' law to press this wasn't too wise. If this drags on, it gets more a more attention. And any journalist worth a nickel will point out that this law goes widely unenforced among Costa Ricans.
    If it is a person from within the monger community, then that's true. If it's someone who just hates all mongers, this is exactly the kind of stuff that person would pull -- Take advantage of every opportunity to make mongers look bad. They don't really care if the charges stick, they just want to do everything that they can to make a Costa Rica a Gringo-monger-free country. The paranoia over on CRT is basically "mission accomplished" for that person. Just as any terrorist, the person knows he can't take down the monger industry alone, but he can get us all to point fingers at our own fellow mongers and make us scared.

    As far as shutting websites down... Good luck with that... The same point you mentioned in an earlier post. It doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks about how Costa Rica writes and enforces its laws, because all of this is happening on Costa Rican soil. Ticaland, and likely CRT as well, are not hosted on Costa Rican soil, so the Ticos would have to make their case to a wider audience, like the US judicial system. Good luck with that.
    You're right about that, and since you're in Colombia, you're completely safe. Cubadave was in exactly the same situation. He was perfectly safe, operating a website that is not run on Costa Rican soil. The Ticos can't shut down cubadave.com, nor can they go to Florida to arrest Cubadave, but once he was in Costa Rica... well, look where he is now. No, the Ticos can't shut down CRT, because it's on a server that's not in Costa Rica. However, if it wanted to, right now, the OIJ could walk into the SL and wipe out the entire bar and shut the hotel down. Pretty much the whole bar at SL is involved with money-making on CRT in some way. Every single advertiser -- all of those hotels and dental places that have banner ads on CRT -- all arrested, and their dental clinics shut down. Why do you advertise? You advertise to make money. You're advertising on a website that promotes sex tourism? You're third-party profiting from sex tourism.

    Sounds silly? Not to many people in the Costa Rican government and the OIJ. To them it all makes perfect sense, and their opinion is the only opinion that matters. Even if the charges don't stick, the owners of the SL and those dental clinics would still be in jail for months, awaiting trial. You can say "That's Impossible. The Ticos Can't Do That." You can say that all you want. The Ticos can do whatever the fuck they want to do in their own country, which includes arresting anyone and shutting down businesses on their own soil.

    They can't touch you. But the owner of Costa Rica Dental Team, with a banner ad on this site? They can arrest him right now if they want to. You're advertising on a website that promotes sex tourism. You get exposure and customers from that advertisement. You're making money from and promoting sex tourism. You're under arrest. Neither you nor I nor that Dentist has to agree that that's legal or right... Doesn't Matter what WE think.

    I've had this conversation in the past. I've spoken with my Tico lawyer and my lawyer in the USA. I wanted to advertise on CRT and Ticaland. Both the Tico and the Gringo lawyer read the "Laura Law", and they both advised me NOT to advertise on either website, for this very reason.

    In a thousand years, it's safe to say no significant technological advancement or cure for anything, any any meaningful development will come out of Costa Rica. They'll still be a 3rd world country, trailing the 1st world by a thousand years of evolution.
    Costa Rica is a pioneer in biology and medicine. In my own field... the travel industry... the Ticos that I have worked with on accident investigation teams and biological factors in flight are far ahead of their counterparts in the USA. That's just one of the many reasons why Costa Rica is a top destination for "medical tourism." That's a big cultural difference. The U.S. has always emphasized technology that is NOT related to health and medicine, except in that specific field. With Ticos, health and medicine issues are ALWAYS a major topic of discussion, even if you're discussing microwave ovens or jet engines. Tico specialists have improved the capabilities and health of fighter pilots in the U.S. military, working as contractors and showing the U.S. Military how health factors are affecting pilot performance, in ways that the USA has never thought of. How does a fighter pilot in an F-16 survive 9 Gs without passing out? Due in part to a Tico who showed how it could be done.

    No, Costa Rica won't be building a Mission to Mars rocket or a Time Machine anytime soon. The USA will surely beat them to it. Tico culture just doesn't place any emphasis on those things. It's not because the Ticos can't do it... it's just because they don't care. And of course, there is the simple fact that we're comparing a country with 5 million Citizens to a country with 70 times more than that. It stands to reason that the USA is going to be doing things that the Ticos can't do, because the USA has resources and Labor-Power that Costa Rica does not have.
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    I am starting to get some feedback from the monger community that indicates that Admin3 at CRT has openly denied that he Narc'ed on Cubadave, and is trying to "assist" Cubadave.

    He could be telling the truth, or he could be lying. Or the information that I'm receiving could be false -- it's all hearsay and I can't confirm or deny it. As I implied before, I would expect him to deny it whether he did it or not.

    Just thought I'd throw that little tidbit out there.

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    Oh... He said he didn't rat on Cuba Dave... Well then, that settles it...

    The translated version: I've ratted on almost everyone, and threatened repeatedly to rat on everyone else, but THIS TIME, I didn't rat, even though Dave himself thinks I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonesie View Post
    Oh... He said he didn't rat on Cuba Dave... Well then, that settles it...

    The translated version: I've ratted on almost everyone, and threatened repeatedly to rat on everyone else, but THIS TIME, I didn't rat, even though Dave himself thinks I did.

    Exactly! I just think that's it's interesting that, especially for such a long time after the arrest (what... 2 weeks now?), I'm just now starting to hear that he's claiming it wasn't him. Perhaps a little "buyer's remorse?"


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    EDIT: To clarify my point, does this not seem like, after remaining silent for 2 weeks, and then deciding to Speak Up, that this "individual" may have realized within the past 2 or 3 days, that he has stretched his dick so far across the train tracks, that he's not going to be able to pull it back in before the train arrives?

    I'm so curious about the answer to this question, that I'm as giddy as a schoolgirl:

    "What does Cubadave have to say about this individual's alleged statement that he did NOT Narc on Cubadave, and is in fact, trying to HELP Cubadave?"
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    Looking back at some of the points in this thread, I continuously reminded that folks just need to understand how different cultures think, and the justice systems in different countries work. I've known more than 3 or 4 guys that have played the Costa Rican justice system perfectly... Because they understand Tico culture, Tico law, and an how it is applied. It's a very common tale... I think I've posted this a few times before...

    A Gringo wants to stay in Costa Rica, but his Residency has been delayed or refused, his tourist stamp has expired, and the CR government has a hard-on for him, and they are bent upon expelling him from Costa Rica. The guy has been completely nonchalant and relaxed the whole time. As the Ticos are pushing the guy towards the "Exit Door" out of Costa Rica, he just casually blurts out, "I got a Kid." The reaction is quite a thing to see. In Tico culture, you would think that someone had just ass-fucked the baby Jesus in Church during Sunday Mass. Quite literally, everybody just freezes. Eventually, someone will ask... "What did you say?" The guy will answer, "I got a Kid! A little 2-month-old Tico baby! That whole kickin' me out of Costa Rica thing ain't lookin' so good now, is it? And let me tell you something else... You'll never find a DIME, unless you grant me Permanent Residency and let me go free. If you expel me and deport me to the USA, you'll never see me again, and that kid won't get a single penny for his entire life." At that point, the Ticos take the handcuffs off and say, "Ain't no reason to get all upset, now... Mr. Gringo, Sir! We was just funnin' with ya! You run on back to your baby and your baby-momma, now!"

    I'm not picking on Ticos. Every country, including the USA, has weak spots like this... they just won't admit it.

    Remember Elian Gonzales from Cuba? If Elian had been a Haitian refugee, someone in the U.S. government would have said, "Drown that little fucker, before he shows up on CNN!"

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    Here's what is so deliciously curious to me...

    I heard about this alleged denial by Admin3, and then I checked on CRT, and at least one person there had heard the same thing. After a brief search, I discovered that there is no record of Admin3 making a Single Post in the public areas (although he had made posts in the "VIP-members-only" areas.

    Curious... that...


    Now... everyone is as quiet as a mouse on the subject. Of course... It IS (was) Friday night, so maybe everyone was just too busy whoring around to post... either here or on CRT.


    Curious... that...

    I whored around 3 times tonight (last night), myself... but I'm still addressing the topic on the boards. Everyone else on Ticaland and CRT is strangely silent on the subject. Perhaps the terrorist is having an even more profound effect than he wished? Or am I the only one who gives a shit?

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    I just ran across this photo from a few years ago, which instantly reminded me of the discussion in this thread...

    Cultural Differences, and how that can affect differences in Law...

    OK... The Photo... DSC01395-1.png


    I was working in Ukraine, and this was the driver assigned to me. He drove me back and forth to work, and out to eat for dinner, and shit like that, because the Italian Mafia is like a bunch of un-weaned kittens compared to the Ukrainian Mafia... and while I was working in Ukraine, ICAO was really hoping that I wouldn't get tortured, raped, and killed... or at least not in that order. But this guy was just a regular guy, because... apparently... just hanging around with an ordinary Ukrainian dude makes you bulletproof against the Ukrainian Mafia. It made so much sense to me that I only vomited 3 times on the first day.

    So, here I am in Eastern Ukraine... which is FAR MORE depressing than Central Ukraine... like I ever imagined that THAT was Fucking Possible... and this regular guy is my driver.

    He did seem happy and content, and perfectly normal... which pretty much convinced me that he was either a robot or an alien. But NO... he does turn out to be just an ordinary guy who makes a living as a driver.

    We're just driving down the road, and there's a dude standing on the side of the road wearing a black shirt and black pants, with a black coat... and holding a black baton with yellow stripes around it. As we are about to pass the guy, he holds up the baton. Now... there's not a car, motorcycle, or any other vehicle in sight. Nevertheless, my driver pulls over immediately, gets out of the car, and walks back towards the guy, on the shoulder of the road.

    I asked my interpreter, who was sitting in the back seat, "What's going on?" She answered, "That's a policeman, and we just got pulled over for speeding."

    I thought for a few seconds, and then said, "How does he know we were speeding? I don't see a radar gun, or any marks on the road."

    She answered, "Oh... They can just look at you and tell whether or not you are speeding."

    I said, "Ohhh... OK... where is his car or motorcycle, or where is the other cop, nearby, in a vehicle?"

    She answered, "Oh, No... He's alone. They drop him off on the side of the road at 8 a.m., and then they drive back from the city at about 4 p.m. and pick him up."

    At this point, I just kept my mouth shut... because my brain was about to explode.

    A couple of minutes later, my driver gets back in the car, and we just drive away.

    I look back at the interpreter and ask, "So what's the fine for speeding?"

    She answered, "Oh... The driver just told the policeman that he Wasn't speeding, so there is no fine."

    NOBODY that I have EVER told this story to believes it, but it is the ABSOLUTE FUCKING TRUTH!!!

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    I just thought of this one:

    You know what the BEAUTY of the story in my previous post is?

    By the CORRECT, TEXTBOOK, TECHNICALLY ACCURATE DEFINITION...

    Ukraine is only SECOND WORLD... but Costa Rica is THIRD WORLD!

    The last time I was in Ukraine was about 7 years ago, and they were just transitioning from VHS to Regular DVD. They had NO IDEA what "Flat Screen", "LCD", or "High Definition" meant. They did, however, all have smartphones, because the landline system of telecommunications had completely failed. Nobody can get wired telephone service, so they have to get T-Mobile. I found out about the transition from VHS to DVD (they have no idea what Blu-Ray is), because my interpreter was ecstatic about going to the bank to get a 10-year loan to buy a $79 DVD player.

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    I really, REALLY get irritated when Costa Rica is referred to as "Third World." I've been in over 180 Sovereign States, and all 7 Continents on Planet Earth, and if Costa Rica is Third World... then over 95% of Planet Earth is Third World. Costa Ricans live over 10 years longer than people in the USA, and have a number of indigenous diseases that can be counted on one hand, even though Costa Rica hosts more bioversity than almost every country on Planet Earth. In other words, even though Costa Rica has over 300% of the risk and exposure to disease that the USA has, Costa Ricans have a substantially longer life-span, less than 50% of the per-capita incidence of HIV/AIDS, and pretty much kicks the living shit out of the USA in every single other aspect of health and medical care. I'm not going to name names, but an ex-U.S. President came to Costa Rica for a medical procedure, but kept it quiet, because he didn't want to embarrass the U.S. medical community, because he knows that medical care in the USA isn't worth a shit.

    Mike Lomax told me, Face-to-Face, that he could custom-fit a crown for me, or he would mail it to my dentist in the USA, who would just glue it on, for 3 times the price. So I did some research... Practically every pill you take, and every medical instrument that is used on you in the USA is NOT manufactured in the USA, because the USA is completely INCOMPETENT at medical care. Mike Lomax replaced a crown that my dentist in the USA installed for $900, 15 years ago, that was so poorly installed, that it was destroying my gum and jawbone. Mike gave me a perfect replacement, including gum and jawbone repair for about $300, in 2011 Dollars, and it make the U.S. dentist's work look like elementary-school bullshit. I find it hilarious that the people who think I don't know what I am talking about are having crowns and bridges, made right here in Costa Rica, glued on at 3 times the price that Mike will CUSTOM-FIT it for you, right here in Costa Rica.
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